François-René Rideau ([info]fare) wrote,
@ 2005-11-04 15:25:00
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It's a riot!

Riots in the banlieues. The French government is desperately looking for someone to whom to surrender. If you know whom, please use one of your stolen cell phones to call Jacques at 0-800-ELYSEE. Discretion assured.

 

Les plus hauts représentants de l'État Français ont fait part de leur volonté de se rendre dans les banlieues. Voici l'annonce parue dans tous nos quotidiens:

Voulons nous rendre dans les banlieues. Ne savons pas à qui. Si vous savez, s'il vous plaît, veuillez utiliser un de vos téléphones mobiles volés pour nous le dire. Appelez d'urgence le 0-800-ELYSEE. Demandez "Jacques" ou "Dominique". Discrétion assurée.


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[info]averros
2005-11-05 03:14 am UTC (link)
:) ...if it wasn't so sad. The perfect illustration to Hoppe's words on the evils of forced integration.

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"forced integration"
[info]fare
2005-11-05 03:20 am UTC (link)

Well, integration is precisely one of those things that can't be forced, so some quotes are missing here, and they are not around forced (and this sentence isn't self-contradictory because it's telling about another one) (ok now it tells about itself too) (but it's still not self-contradictory) (enough Hofstadterification for now).

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[info]averros
2005-11-05 04:17 am UTC (link)
integration is precisely one of those things that can't be forced

Oh, of course, it can. Have you ever been to an army? The creative use of the Stockholm syndrome and other forceful indoctrination techniques do wonders.

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[info]dvv7
2005-11-05 01:40 pm UTC (link)
amazing thank you for this link... !

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disintegration
[info]fare
2005-11-06 05:24 am UTC (link)
No, no. What you achieve through oppression and brainwashing is not integration. It's the disintegration of society inside a high-pressure chamber. All productive inter-individual relationships are being slowly destroyed, until the whole society crumbles and is not able to sustain the oppressors anymore. Look at what happened in USSR or Yugoslavia: the oppression disintegrated people, it didn't integrate them. After it could continue no more, these societies were left in a state of civil disorder where it is very difficult to trust anyone.

Compulsory social order, aka Government, is actually the worst disorder there can be.

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[info]averros
2005-11-06 09:15 pm UTC (link)
Actually I agree with everything you said above.

We only differ in the interpretation of the word "integration". For Hoppe "forced integration" meant forcing one group of people to deal with other group. Returning to the original topic - nobody forced those arab thugs to come to France - but the French people were forced to pay for the government handouts which lured the no-goods in, and to pay for their settling and breeding, and forced French children to go to the same schools as children of these barely civilized newcomers.

This kind of forced integration does habituate different people to the presense of each other - precious few people actually question the "wisdom" of the government "internationalism", so they appear to happily coexist (and, from my experience in the USSR, actually believe they're "one people").

Eventually the underlying tension brought up by the resentment of force and "sacrifice" (which turned out to be good for nothing) on one side and the false promise of better life on the other (nobody told these barbarians that they have to actually learn to do some useful work to get themselves out of poverty - for them, striving for better life means bargaining for more government handouts) boils over as riots and "ethnic" conflicts.

The best thing the government could do right now about the riots is to let people to defend themselves. Let people purchase and own guns and use them to defend themselves and their property. Then the thugs would quickly learn that they have the choice of leaving, behaving themselves, or becoming very much dead. But, I guess, the same government is much more afraid of its own subjects armed with guns than of imported thugs armed with crowbars and Molotovs.

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[info]fare
2005-11-06 09:30 pm UTC (link)
Fully agreed. I couldn't say it better.

I'll add that the government is specifically sentencing to life people who use guns to defend themselves against criminals. But it won't disarm the criminals, and doesn't even try to stop them. Gun control has never been so much of a victim disarmament as it is in France.

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