fare: Idiocracy

François-René Rideau (

fare) wrote,
@ 2008-05-04 00:46:00

Entry tags:

eugenism, evolution, fr, interventionism, statism

Idiocracy

University is a plot to prevent bright people from having kids.

Welfare is a plot to encourage stupid people to breed.

We know where the State stands with respect to eugenics.

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	tropigalia 2008-05-04 07:05 am UTC (link)
	My parents went to university and certainly weren't stupid and somehow we ended up on welfare. I guess my mom is SO DUMB to end up having two disabled children and be divorced from her abusive husband. GOD, WHAT AN IDIOT. (Reply to this)(Thread)

	averros 2008-05-04 07:39 am UTC (link)
	No, she was an idiot to marry an abusive man in the first place. So... why exactly do I have to pay for her mistakes? (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	tropigalia 2008-05-04 07:48 am UTC (link)
	No, she was an idiot to marry an abusive man in the first place. Haha what a firm understanding of relationships and human psychology you have. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	tropigalia 2008-05-04 07:49 am UTC (link)
	Also, you specifically have to pay for her mistakes because you're an asshole. Give me your paypal address and I'll invoice you. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

averros
2008-05-04 09:36 am UTC (link)

So, I'm an asshole just because I don't like guns pointed at me? Because this what your (and your mom's) welfare is all about - people do not pay taxes because they want to pay them, but because the goons will guns will come and take non-payers to prison, ok?

I do charity - my last charitable donation was a few hours ago (bought gas for a motorist who lost her wallet, so she could get home); but extortion is something completely different.

So, excuse me for looking at extortionists like yourself without much compassion.

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	tropigalia 2008-05-04 09:40 am UTC (link)
	So, excuse me for looking at extortionists like yourself without much compassion. extortionists like yourself without much compassion. like yourself without much compassion without much compassion (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Compassion fare 2008-05-04 03:14 pm UTC (link)
	Giving at gunpoint is not compassion - it's being robbed. Giving other people's money is not compassion - it's robbery. Living off tax money is not living out of people's compassion - but out of robbery. Funny how the so-called anti-materialists are the ones who always demand money (from other people, by force). Let's take compulsion out of compassion. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Compassion tropigalia 2008-05-04 03:15 pm UTC (link)
	If we had relied on other people's compassion we would have starved. (Reply to this)(Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Compassion gentlemaitresse 2008-05-04 03:26 pm UTC (link)
	So you think that your need makes it okay to steal? (Reply to this)(Parent)

	Re: Compassion fare 2008-05-04 03:49 pm UTC (link)
	How do you know? Sounds like a typical accounting fallacy. If you're going to play the game of "what if"'s, you should know the rules of the game -- and it's called economic reasoning. (Reply to this)(Parent)

	averros 2008-05-04 06:27 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, I got it. You simply offered the real-life illustration to the original poster's point. (Reply to this)(Parent)

Ladies and Gentlemen,

hodja
2008-05-04 11:28 pm UTC (link)

Please try to be a bit more respectful with one another, and not just superficially, but in essence. In the above argument, the two sides barely regard each other human. You almost openly question your opponent's right to existence. This cannot be right.

I agree with the libertarians here that the root of the problem is aggressive state intervention, but I strongly disagree that

tropigalia is doing anything criminal or even immoral.

What ultimately makes poor people poor is not the lack of money or the lack of employment, but the lack of credit. Everything else follows. There is, of course, a lot that a person can do to improve one's creditworthiness, but it is also undeniable that the governmental monopolization of credit mediation (banking) and the rampant borrowing by the state deprive people of credit.

tropigalia, you are also wrong to expect the government to help you (especially at other peoples' expense). It won't. If your presently unpleasant condition were the government's raison d'être and its main source of political support, don't you think that it would be interested in keeping it that way?

It is very tragic that you guys (and gals) hate and despise each other with such a passion. Instead of the human being, you see the other as "the enemy". Nothing good will come out of it, really.

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Re: Ladies and Gentlemen,

averros
2008-05-06 07:26 am UTC (link)

I agree with the libertarians here that the root of the problem is aggressive state intervention, but I strongly disagree that tropigalia is doing anything criminal or even immoral.

While advocating state violence and flaunting using proceeds of that violence is not criminal, it is certainly immoral.

A decent person may be forced by the circumstances to accept the "help" of the ruling gang - but he won't be proud of it, and least of all would be asinine towards those who were forced to "donate" to him.

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Re: Ladies and Gentlemen,

fare
2008-05-06 06:03 pm UTC (link)

I don't consider tropigalia my opponent, and I am not questioning her right to existence.

Next thing, I'll say I'm not a jew, from which you'll (correctly) deduce that I think that judaism is a false religion, from which you'll (incorrectly) infer that in an ideal world of mine there would be no jews, from which you'll (bogusly) assert that I'm denying jews the right to existence and you'll (absurdly) conclude that I want to kill them all Hitler-style. [Does a self-application of Godwin's law work? Who wins/loses then?]

I think that the welfare system is robbery. I don't think that we should retroactively starve those who were fed with stolen money. Actually, I don't think that children should be held responsible for the crimes of their parents, only for those crimes they commit themselves. And I don't even think that living off welfare, though morally degrading, is criminal. Especially since by creating more poverty and sucking up resources that would otherwise have been available to charity, the welfare system dries up the alternative resources for an increased number of poor people. The poor are the primary victims of the welfare system.

What is criminal is to promote the welfare system and defend its existence, not to use it when it exists. Certainly, one goal of the welfare system is to buy support for the government from its very victims - and it's working! But it's still the victim's personal responsibility and her own failure if she falls into the trap.

North Koreans: your totalitarian government gave you EVERYTHING you have. You owe the government EVERYTHING. Be thankful for EVERYTHING. And please retroactively starve yourself before you criticize the system and propose alternatives!

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